Risky or Not?

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277. Chicken Taco in a Backpack for a Day and a Half

March 18, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating a chicken taco in a backpack for a day and a half.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • 270. Rice, Chicken, and Lo Mein Leftovers — Risky or Not?
  • Don Schaffner 🦠 on Twitter: "@joellabes @PatrickRothfuss #Risky Pico de Gallo is not an antimicrobial!
  • Cubano sandwiches with Clostridium perfringens found in Alaska investigation | Food Safety News
  • Notes from the Field: Clostridium perfringens Outbreak at a Catered Lunch — Connecticut, September 2016 | MMWR
  • Clostridium perfringens Foodborne Outbreak during an Athletic Event in Northern Greece, June 2019
  • NC church barbecue cited as link to outbreak that sickened 300 | Fox News
  • The Never-Ending Battle Against Sport’s Hidden Foe - The New York Times
March 18, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Taco, Temperature control

276. Cold-Soaked Freeze-Dried Backpacking Food

March 16, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cold-soaking freeze-dried backpacking food for 8 hours.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • The Outer Banks | Things To Do, Hotels & Restaurants
  • Mountain House Pad Thai with Chicken - 2 Servings | REI Co-op
  • Cold-Soak No-Cook Backpacking Meals 101 - SectionHiker.com
  • Home - Philmont Scout Ranch High Adventure- Cimarron NM
  • Accidental Tech Podcast
  • Reconcilable Differences - Relay FM
  • “Pro Macs Triumph Black” graphic tee by Accidental Tech Podcast. | Cotton Bureau
  • The microbiological quality of various foods dried by applying different drying methods: a review
March 16, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cold-soaking, Freeze-dried food, Backpacking

275. Cooking While COVID-19 Positive

March 14, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of transmitting COVID-19 when cooking while COVID-19 positive

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Gabrielle Schaffner on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman here’s a #riskyornot question: COVID + person, 5 days from + test, no symptoms…risky or not to cook for family members in isolation, without a mask on? (Cooking masked is really getting old but I’m willing!)" / Twitter
  • Potential for foodborne transmission Covid-19: » Meat Industry Association
  • Is It Safe to Cook for Other People During Coronavirus? | Food Network Healthy Eats: Recipes, Ideas, and Food News | Food Network
  • 270. Rice, Chicken, and Lo Mein Leftovers — Risky or Not?
  • Food Safety and Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | CDC
March 14, 2022 /Don Schaffner
COVID-19, Cooking, Food preparation

274. COVID-19 and Revolving Doors

March 11, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of contracting COVID-19 from walking through revolving doors.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • COVID-19 Quarantine and Isolation | CDC
  • Computational fluid dynamics - Wikipedia
  • Do revolving doors actually save energy? - Vox
  • Modifying Habits Towards Sustainability: A Study of Revolving Door Usage on the Mit Campus
  • Air Infiltration through revolving doors
  • Linsey C. Marr | Civil & Environmental Engineering | Virginia Tech
March 11, 2022 /Don Schaffner
COVID-19, Revolving doors

273. Cooking With Himalayan Soup Salter on a Rope

March 09, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of cooking with a Himalayan soup salter on a rope.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • not a bot on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Himalayan Soup Salter: Risky or Not? I assume the salt block would be safe, but what about the rope? Dipping in stews, soups, and chili and just rinsing between uses? https://t.co/x47abYjtHV" / Twitter
  • Evaluation of oral fluids for surveillance of foodborne and zoonotic pathogens in pig farms - Franziska Schott, Karolin Hoffmann, Eleonora Sarno, Patrick D. Bangerter, Roger Stephan, Gudrun Overesch, Michael Haessig, Xaver Sidler, Robert Graage, 2021
March 09, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Salt, Cross-contamination

272. Thirteen Year Old Tapioca Flour

March 07, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating 13 year old tapioca flour.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • haroldina on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman I've got a bag of tapioca flour that's was opened back when I got it 13 years ago and stored in a ziplock bag in my pantry since then. There aren't any bugs in it and it's not clumped at all, so I expect it didn't get any moisture in it 1/2" / Twitter
  • Don argues on Twitter
  • An unusual case of anaphylaxis. Mold in pancake mix - PubMed
March 07, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Tapioca flour, Mold, Expired foods

271. Salt Rising Bread

March 04, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from salt rising bread.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • neil chazin on Twitter: "@atlasobscura @bugcounter thoughts on this bread method?" / Twitter
  • The Forgotten Baking Technique That Turns Bacteria Into Delicious, Cheesy Bread - Gastro Obscura
  • Food Safety Talk 84: All the Great Journals — Food Safety Talk
  • Microbiology of salt rising bread - PubMed
  • Full article on Microbiology of salt rising bread
  • 264. Kapchunka — Risky or Not?
March 04, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Bread, Salt rising bread, Clostridium perfringens

Spoiler alert - it wasn’t the leftovers. Also, just be glad I didn’t post any pictures from the NEJM.

270. Rice, Chicken, and Lo Mein Leftovers

March 02, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of shock, multiple organ failure, and rash after eating rice, chicken, and lo mein leftovers.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Case Challenge — A 19-Year-Old Man with Shock, Multiple Organ Failure, and Rash — NEJM
  • Dr. Glaucomflecken (@DGlaucomflecken) / Twitter
  • Meningococcal Disease | CDC
  • What a Food Safety Expert Says About Storing Leftovers After Teen's Food Poisoning-Amputation Case Goes Viral | Inside Edition
  • BAM Chapter 14: Bacillus cereus | FDA
March 02, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Medical doctors, Leftovers, Food poisoning

Cat sniffing a cat cake

269. Cat Licked Cake

February 28, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating cake licked by a cat.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Goudy Bold Italic on Twitter: "@benjaminchapman @bugcounter @firstbornspawn Risky or not: cake that a cat has been licking. Not frosted, plain top with occasional crumb topping. (Extra credit: gross or not?) Just happened, is it rude to not want to take home leftover cake after your hosts' cat has licked it?" / Twitter
  • Cats | Healthy Pets, Healthy People | CDC
  • 'I’m not a cat': lawyer gets stuck on Zoom kitten filter during court case - YouTube
  • Anaplasma, Ehrlichia and Rickettsia species infections in cats: European guidelines from the ABCD on prevention and management - Maria Grazia Pennisi, Regina Hofmann-Lehmann, Alan D Radford, Séverine Tasker, Sándor Belák, Diane D Addie, Corine Boucraut-Baralon, Herman Egberink, Tadeusz Frymus, Tim Gruffydd-Jones, Katrin Hartmann, Marian C Horzinek, Margaret J Hosie, Albert Lloret, Hans Lutz, Fulvio Marsilio, Etienne Thiry, Uwe Truyen, Karin Möstl, 2017
  • Detection of Bartonella henselae in domestic cats' saliva
February 28, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cat, Licking

268. Old Outbreak Peanut Butter

February 25, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating peanut butter linked to a food poisoning outbreak more than a decade ago.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Robbie Trencheny on Twitter: "@westernunion2k @bugcounter" / Twitter
  • ConAgra Agrees to Pay $11.2 Million for Salmonella Outbreak | Food Safety News
  • December 13, 2016: Conagra Subsidiary Sentenced in Connection with Outbreak of Salmonella Poisoning Related to Peanut Butter | FDA
  • Survival of Salmonella in peanut butter and peanut butter spread - Burnett - 2000 - Journal of Applied Microbiology - Wiley Online Library
  • Fate of Salmonella Tennessee in peanut butter at 4 and 22 degrees C - PubMed
  • Is trying to sell a recalled food product illegal - Hell, yes! | Marler Blog
  • Vintage Antique Peter Pan Peanut Butter Jar w/ Lid & Original Paper Label | eBay
February 25, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Peanut butter, Outbreak, Salmonella

267. Single Mouse Turd Near the Guacamole Ingredients

February 23, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from guacamole made from ingredients with a mouse turd nearby

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Mr. Show - Pre-Taped Call-in Show - YouTube
  • U.S. suspends Mexican avocado imports after threat to inspector
  • TK on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman Wife had a three tier bowl in kitchen. Garlic on top tier, then onions next, then potatoes. Made guac today (using onion and garlic) and then prepped potatoes for instant pot. Found a 🐭 dropping behind the bowl after food prep.Risky or not for guac?" / Twitter
  • Sprinkles - Wikipedia
  • Milk Chocolate Sprinkles by De Ruijter, 13.4 oz. (380 g) | Yummy Bazaar
  • How are Cockroaches and Palmetto Bugs Different? | Orkin
February 23, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Rodent, Feces, Guacamole

266. Linda's Molten Chocolate Lava Cakes

February 21, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of a Molten Chocolate Lava Cake recipe suggested by front of the show Dr. Linda Harris

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • The Best and The Easiest Molten Chocolate Lava Cakes - Averie Cooks
  • Presentation: Mug Cakes Baked in Microwave Ovens: The Influence of Baking Time and Internal Temperature on Risk of Foodborne Illness (IAFP 2017)
  • Molten Chocolate Cakes Recipe | Kraft Canada Cooking
  • Validation of a Simulated Commercial Frying Process to Control Salmonella in Donuts - PubMed
  • Desserts : Red Fish Grill Restaurant : New Orleans, Louisiana
  • Thermal inactivation of Salmonella during hard and soft cookies baking process - PubMed
February 21, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Cake, Baking

265. Sewer Shrimp

February 18, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks from eating shrimp harvested from a sewer and washed in a bathroom.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Billy Bostickson 🏴👁&👁 🆓 on Twitter: "4. More Sewer Shrimp Photos "A series of disturbing photos have exposed the antics of shrimp sellers in Wuhan who were seen scavenging shrimp from the sewers to sell to the unsuspecting public" https://t.co/ixHubGEjcG https://t.co/WUTarPqs1Z" / Twitter
  • Photos Show Vendors in China Using 'Sewer Shrimp' to Make Street Food
  • Chinese people still cooking with 'fatbergs' from sewer as coronavirus crisis deepens - Daily Star
  • Stocking your Aquarium: Dive into the World of Freshwater Shrimp
  • Hepatitis A increase in Chinese province linked to seafood | Food Safety News
February 18, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Shrimp, Sanitation, Sewers

264. Kapchunka

February 16, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of Kapchunka

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Russ & Daughters on Instagram: “It's our bagel corner now, but do you know what used to hang in its place? KAPCHUNKAS. Yes, this #tbt we're evoking the old-school…”
  • Kamchatka Peninsula - Wikipedia
  • Botulism Associated with Commercially Distributed Kapchunka -- New York City
  • International Outbreak of Type E Botulism Associated With Ungutted, Salted Whitefish
  • CPG Sec 540.650 Uneviscerated Fish Products that are Salt-cured, Dried, or Smoked (Revised) | FDA
February 16, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Fish, Botulism

263. Eating Foods Labeled as “Made in a Facility” With a Food to Which You Are Allergic

February 14, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks eating foods labeled as “made in a facility” with a food to which you are allergic.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - risky ☣️

  • Food Allergy Research & Education
  • Food Allergy Research and Resource Program | Nebraska
  • Which Allergens Are in Your Food? You Can’t Always Tell From the Labels - The New York Times
  • Food Allergen Labeling and Purchasing Habits in the United States and Canada - The Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology: In Practice
February 14, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Food allergy

262. Justin's Leftover Steak, Cooked on the Use-By Date and Eaten Two Days Later

February 11, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of steak, cooked on the use-by date and eaten two days later.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Justin on Twitter: "@bugcounter @benjaminchapman #RiskyOrNot eating leftover pre-cut steak (i.e., stir fry steak) that was cooked on the “use by” date 2 days after the “use by” date. (In my mind, the game clock reset when I cooked it, but my wife wants an expert opinion.)" / Twitter
  • Listeria - Wikipedia
  • Food Product Dating | Food Safety and Inspection Service
February 11, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Steak, Leftovers, Use-by date

Note this is not a picture of Sam’s actual snow and ice, just Don’s first imagining of it. Listen to the episode you animals.

261. Sam's Plowed Snow and Ice

February 09, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks faced by Ben's son Sam when Sam eats plowed up snow and ice at his school.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Amazon.com : Trideer Inflated Wobble Cushion - Wiggle Seat for Sensory Kids(Multiple Colors), Core Balance Disc (Extra Thick), Flexible Seating for All Age(Office & School & Home) (34cm Avocado) : Sports & Outdoors
  • 113. Eating Snow — Risky or Not?
  • Letterkenny (TV series) - Wikipedia)
February 09, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Snow, Ice, Salt

260. Wegmans Cook in a Bag Meal Cooked in a Slow Cooker

February 07, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of eating a "cook in bag meal" designed to be cooked in a slow cooker when cooked in a slow cooker.

Dr. Don - not risky 👍🏼
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Cook-in-Bag Entrees: Delicious flavor, cooks perfect every time - YouTube
  • Cook-in-Bag Meat Entrees - Wegmans
  • Cook-in-Bag Meat Entrees - Wegmans
  • Cook-in-Bag Meals - Wegmans
  • Slow cookers and food safety | UMN Extension
February 07, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Slow cooker, Cook-in-bag

259. Eating a Food or at a Restaurant Again, After (You Think) It Made You Sick

February 04, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks eating a food or at a restaurant again, after (you think) it made you sick

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • Report Food Poisoning Now. Protect Others.
  • Patrick Quade on Twitter: ""...one more shot", "...have my husband try it" - we get quite a few 'double down' reports like this. We think it's generally not a good idea. Thoughts? @benjaminchapman @bugcounter @okieokra @c_zoellner #iwaspoisoned https://t.co/UffU9hXcb8" / Twitter
  • Leftovers Make You sick? What you need to know
  • Food Safety Talk 254: Bridge-Tunnel-Bridge-Tunnel — Food Safety Talk
  • Toffee-tastic® | Little Brownie Bakers
February 04, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Food poisoning, Food sensitivity

258. Re-Using Boxed Fish Fry Stored at Room Temperature

February 02, 2022 by Don Schaffner

Dr. Don and Professor Ben talk about the risks of re-using boxed fish fry stored at room temperature.

Dr. Don - risky ☣️
Professor Ben - not risky 👍🏼

  • 246. Re-Using Plastic Bags — Risky or Not?
  • Zatarain's® Crispy Southern Fish Fri | Zatarain's
  • The Places of Athens throughout the Decades | Magazine | redandblack.com
  • Athens, GA Restaurant Behind R.E.M.'s "Automatic for the People" to Close - Eater
February 02, 2022 /Don Schaffner
Fried fish, Breading, Re-use
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